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senses etc

11:34 AM

they are just an interface, and headmates are thought patterns that drive actions that are then sensed

11:34 AM

and whoever is switched in can just claim it all as them until someone else takes their place

we dont have our own pseudo SOCs

11:35 AM

:<

What is sensory switching? You mean host switching from body senses to another virtual set of senses? Sounds like what she wanted to reach with dissociation. Wonderland/Headspace switching also looks like what she'd have wanted with dissociation ^^° Overall we were told that to truly detach from bedy senses it'd require major deep change in how our system operated and that quite scared us a bit

Ranger ↩️

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I can teach you sensory switching. It doesn't matter if you …

11:38 AM

I do think that's what causing issues here. Because if senses are just an interface, then she does always feel there and that is triggering her way too often. I quite appreciate your point of view on the matter because it correlates nicely with what our friend systems told us about.

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yeah i had problems with constantly coming back to front because of that

Or maybe I didn't understand it because of this sentence?

aapeli 🟣🥫 ↩️

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there are also some things that your body does on autopilot that feel a lot like the host

11:39 AM

you did

Okay because it doesn't feel like I can claim it all. Host still also has it all ^^° All the fronters have it all I guess

fake it till you make it?

For us, sensory switching involves us seeing the SOC as seprate entity, BUT you can see it as having two Twilibris: the Twilibri that experiences things and Twilibri's personality that functions like a headmate. This is important because we believe the headmate needs to attatch themselves to the SOC in order to sensory switch. For example, when I switch in, I basically "own" the SOC. If I feel something like bumping into a table, that is my feeling. I also assume I'm always in the background, feeling everything on an unconscious level

While I'd want to be the only one feeling it . And for the host to stop feeling like they are there and that everything is targeted at them!

thats how we got used to maintaining a switch with me going "on pause" completely, emmi just ignored everything that felt like me and we got used to it over time

11:41 AM

and it doesnt feel like me anymore

A long kiss goodnight

For us, sensory switching involves us seeing the SOC as seprate entity, BUT you can see it as having two Twilibris: the Twilibri that experiences things and Twilibri's personality that functions like a headmate. This is important because we believe the headmate needs to attatch themselves to the SOC in order to sensory switch. For example, when I switch in, I basically "own" the SOC. If I feel something like bumping into a table, that is my feeling. I also assume I'm always in the background, feeling everything on an unconscious level

Whats weird is the SOC is a POV

there are still things that come with "autopilot" that feel like me but we realize its just autopilot stuff

That sounds very confusing somehow. Does it mean breaking Twi into pieces then? Because what you explain is very similar to something that is scaring us

Ranger ↩️

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when either of us wants to switch, we make ourselves feel like what each of us feel like we are at our core, kind of focusing on the "signature feeling", so when emmi wants to switch i let go and focus on what she feels like and it quickly turns into her feeling herself and then i'm the small voice in the background (edited)

11:43 AM

it wont break you in any way or cause any weird feelings/dissociation

11:43 AM

its just a change in mindset of how you think about something

Tohru | 夢

That sounds very confusing somehow. Does it mean breaking Twi into pieces then? Because what you explain is very similar to something that is scaring us

This isn't breaking Twi into two pieces, this is seeing two parts that are already separate that are both labeled as Twi. If you stick with the mindset the SOC = Twi, then sensory switching is Twi becomes you

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The way i view it is usually like that

I think I see. It's confusing still because it doesn't work that Twi thinks she's me

11:45 AM

I can't figure how it works

Instead of wearing wesley as the personality i use, i wear Lynn, or lilith

11:46 AM

(I refering to the SOC, or the POV of the mind)

11:47 AM

But instead of using SOC I use POV because thats how the SOC functions IMO

I see. It'd mean that Twi stops considering the SOC as herself? Which is hmmm not really something I think she's capable of. Letting go is quite the major issue for her

Is it really that difficult? /genq

Tohru | 夢

I see. It'd mean that Twi stops considering the SOC as herself? Which is hmmm not really something I think she's capable of. Letting go is quite the major issue for her

I think the alternative is Twi is switched-in right now because she is attatched to the SOC

I never really experienced that difficulty because of how we learned to vocal and switch at the same time

Yeah that's why I say we're co-fronting at best

11:49 AM

She never release the SOC

11:49 AM

Hmmm

She could just stop doing stuff

Tohru | 夢

She never release the SOC

Can't because she don’t know how or because she doesn't want to? (edited)

maybe you two could try acting like you in tandem if that makes sense

But if I stop doing stuff I'll lost the front again?

11:50 AM

I guess doesn't know how. I mean she was always attached to it.

Ranger ↩️

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11:50 AM

She doesn't have anywhere else to attach to

she acts like she's you, and you fill in the gaps until theres not anything left of her acting like you

That's okay, she can learn how ^^ The expectation of detatching and reattatching to the SOC is very important for sensory switching. That helps the switch happen (edited)

and its just you looking at things and thinking to yourself

Tohru | 夢

She doesn't have anywhere else to attach to

She has her cobud-self, just like how you exist Tohru. She can just go to the back

ignore the nagging feeling that twi is the thing watching at all times, and claim it as yourself even if it feels like you're actually not it

The thing watching is the SOC. It is there but it doesn't have to be Twi if she's disconnected

with that method of switching, though, it takes us constant focus unless we are on discord

i think switching is the same thing you do with your ""mind voice"" when you start talking, it feels like you but you learn to think its not you

11:54 AM

same goes with the thing watching at all times

I feel like you're hitting quite the spot. but she got so grown attached to it that I don't know how to make her stop associating with it all the time.

aapeli 🟣🥫 ↩️

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I can give you our switching method Tohru, I'm actually writing it in our switching guide ^^'

I'd be glad to have a read. I don't expect it helping but any information is worth taking ^^°

have you been trying this for how long

I feel like it's a mindset issue on both our sides but I don't know which way to tackle it first.

11:56 AM

I'm very thankful for slowly but surely making me understand what you all mean.

Tohru | 夢

I'd be glad to have a read. I don't expect it helping but any information is worth taking ^^°

I'll link it to you when I'm ready to share it! ^^

For Twi, the only way I could be free from her influence is to stop being aware of what happens in the front.

i personally dont think its possible, it would be the same as it is now but you somehow forget what happened

11:58 AM

i mean its not possible to split consciousness

11:59 AM

if you're talking about that

We heard it is but with consequences that we don't want to happen.

11:59 AM

Would be like inducing disorders and physical separation to split "consciousness"

Tohru | 夢

For Twi, the only way I could be free from her influence is to stop being aware of what happens in the front.

This is not true. You can switch and have no changes in your vision or memory of what happens. This is how we switch and Gray doesn't interrupt me when I'm switched-in

im sure she knows

But is he aware?

Ranger ↩️

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the issue is just feeling like the host all the time (edited)

I mean, the situation is that Twi want "a break" and "let go" so I can peacefully enjoy front without her interference. So to say she want to be lazy xD

12:03 PM

I know it's also to let me explore myself as I didn't have much opportunities to develop outside of the system

But is he aware?

@Tohru | 夢 - jump The SOC still exists, but we change the label of who owns it. It's like how you change your definition of what "I" means to create a cobud- suddenly a cobud is not "me", they are "you". With the SOC, it goes from "me" to "Ranger". When I switch out, I feel like I become a program in the mind. The SOC isn't affected by us switching, and now that I can't feel anything only Ranger can, I just become a voice in Ranger's head

She's wary of just thinking she's someone else

from a singlet pov/mindset: you start acting like the other headmate and you forget how you tend to usually act, until you go back to acting like yourself

12:06 PM

but when you mix it with a different way of thinking about it, its switching

12:07 PM

but it feels the same, you just see it from a different perspective

I have many thoughts right now. Could be that she isn't used to have someone else front for long period of time and seeing what someone else can do with the body that she cannot. Could be that we are similar enough for her to not feel distinct enough

which i think is more correct than labeling everything as "you" (the host)

sigh

these things tend to go in circles because you just have to practice and do it

12:08 PM

12:09 PM

for me it helped to completely deconstruct what "me" means

I do believe all of this would be so much easier if I could make me heard with voice imposition like I once could during her first month with me

"me" is just a sense that is paired with "me" sounding thoughts that come out of nowhere

12:09 PM

you could talk out loud to each other?

12:09 PM

we did that when we started

I did it once 10y ago it lasted 3 sentences

nowadays we either just talk in our heads or talk without making sounds

12:10 PM

moving our mouth/subvocalizing (edited)

trust issues and anxiety makes these hard to trust in her head

12:11 PM

I'm still glad I can write on my own

Tohru | 夢

I did it once 10y ago it lasted 3 sentences

Huh, interesting. I don't see why it couldn't happen again if that's the experience you want.

12:11 PM

I find that whispering in Gray's ear is a heck of an experience

i think talking out loud is a very good way to work towards switching, but maybe thats just because it worked for us

That's definitely the experience we want. open communication like this would increase Twi's trust in me and I could be there to guide her for a more proper switch.

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

i think talking out loud is a very good way to work towards switching, but maybe thats just because it worked for us

That's interesting, I never heard that before

Tohru | 夢

That's definitely the experience we want. open communication like this would increase Twi's trust in me and I could be there to guide her for a more proper switch.

You absolutely need trust before you can switch

But I think it's complicated now because I traumatized her with my "powers" during our first few months together

thoughts become speech, speech bleeds into body language, the more you talk the more you let the other one think, soon the other one is the only one thinking and moving, bam switched

She trusts me but doesn't trust herself that she's doing good and that she won't make it fail like always bla bla or won't take the front again... Her overthinking mind is annoying me but I cannot block it all the time because it is flooding the brain to the point I can't say a thing

Ranger ↩️

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